you had in john paul and in b benedict, they were extraordinary teachers. but they will be looking for someone who is more of a governor. >> you hear the cardinals say there's a sense of -- there's a strong desire to have a new pope as soon as possible. but for that to happen in the most prudent, enlightened way, we need some sort of prayer and reelection of getting to know each other. >> there are a lot of these cardinals who were appointed by pope benedict, who don't know each other very well, you remember that this is a worldwide church and you also have a church in the united states that's very different in some of the area where is it's growing in latin america, in africa, where frankly the people in the church tend to be more conservative. it creates almost an inevitable conflict, doesn't it. >> i wouldn't say that people in the church in latin america and in africa tend to be more conservative. the growth of the church absolutely is in the third world. one of the things that happens at a papal conclave is that the cardinals begin discussions with eac